osshadharon..ebong moner moto ekta thread pelam....actually ei question-ta amar majheu onek din dhore ghurpak khacche. but ei queation-ta korleye oneke vabe ami hoyto nastik, tai question korar sahosh petamna. whatever it's i'm coming 2 the point........who has created us? GOD?? then who has created GOD???? according 2 the thread....if i talk about big-bang...actually till now in theoritcal physics big-bang is the only one theory where most of the scientist have accepted it as a start of our universe....though there is some other theory as well, such as "String Theory"...but the main question is still arising that what was before the big-bang? whats the answer?
on the otherhand..if i talk from the religious point of view....in AL-QURAN..Allah says...think about my creature. dont think how have i been created....now the question come....why dont i ask to him abt his creation?? is ther any lakings....??? since i know that he has created us then why i cant know that who has created him???
Rain Lord Wrote:osshadharon..ebong moner moto ekta thread pelam....actually ei question-ta amar majheu onek din dhore ghurpak khacche. but ei queation-ta korleye oneke vabe ami hoyto nastik, tai question korar sahosh petamna. whatever it's i'm coming 2 the point........who has created us? GOD?? then who has created GOD???? according 2 the thread....if i talk about big-bang...actually till now in theoritcal physics big-bang is the only one theory where most of the scientist have accepted it as a start of our universe....though there is some other theory as well, such as "String Theory"...but the main question is still arising that what was before the big-bang? whats the answer?
on the otherhand..if i talk from the religious point of view....in AL-QURAN..Allah says...think about my creature. dont think how have i been created....now the question come....why dont i ask to him abt his creation?? is ther any lakings....??? since i know that he has created us then why i cant know that who has created him???
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well ...... no one is answering it ...... i ve asked the same question to a friend and he send me this ans , Do u agree wiv it or not ?
Some of the people believe that this universe was created just by chance and they also try to prove it through science. But God says that all those things that happens just by chance, they don't have such an order in them. Different colors are used together to make a picture. If we just throw the paints on a paper, will they ever make a picture? Houses are made of bricks, but if we just throw the bricks in a pile, will they form a house? It is true that sometimes some of the things are made by chance, but a close analysis of the universe clearly refutes this 'by chance' theory. All right, for a moment, if we believe that matter was created by chance, and this world also came into being by chance, I will ask the readers to study deeply the creation of human beings, Is it possible that such a perfect being was created by chance? See the stars, the planets, sun etc. and then the creation of day and night. Every thing just fits so nicely in a finely woven net, doesn't that orderliness speaks of a powerful creator?
Even in this world we can easily judge the power and wisdom of a creator of anything by closely examining his creation. A good picture is painted by an excellent painter, a powerful computer is made by an intelligent team of researchers. Looking at the orderliness of any things tells us that how intelligent its creator is. God has given to every being an appropriate body and shape, so that it can sustain itself. God kept the food for trees in earth, therefore he gave roots to the trees, so that they can get their food. God made flesh as food for tiger, therefore He gave strong nails and teeth to the tiger, so that it can kill its prey and eat it. God made grass as food for horses and camels, therefore He gave them long neck, so they can graze it. God created lungs for human beings, therefore He also created air, so that they can breath. Human beings depend on water, so God created Clouds, so that they can take water to them. Such an enormous and perfect order could never have been created just by chance? Only a super-being could do it.
If we deeply study this universe, we see that every thing culminates in a Creator. He is the ultimate and every thing is working under his guidance. If we look at different stages of human birth and growth, we see that as we go backward, we find we are moving towards weaker and weaker stage. Eventually we shall find that the growth starts from a clot of clinging substance. So human beings who themselves start from such a weak stage, how can they be their own creator. So it proves without any doubt that human beings are not their own creator. We see that if we start studying the birth process minutely, ultimately we will find ourselves at the limit of human knowledge. At that stage, all the worldly knowledges will reach their limit and will be totally exhausted about what had actually happened? So that is a stage where divine hand is working. Every scientist have to believe that all the processes of this universe ultimately reaches a point where their knowledge becomes inadequate or insufficient to describe them. Once somebody asked a bedouin that what proof does he has about the existence of God. He replied that if he saw excrement of a camel in the middle of a jungle, he could tell that a camel had passed through that jungle. Then after seeing so many different creatures in this universe, couldn't he tell that there is some creator of them?
Klanto_Pothik Wrote:@ Nirob Manush ........ so far as i understand ........... the topic is indicating a very importent & common question ---->> proving the EXISTANCE OF GOD
So please explain it at ur best to prove " Existance of GoD "
waiting for ur reply ---->>>
hollycow ! ! this respond is not even a rational but sarcrastic.
have u read paradigim shift ? To end this topic this particular subject is well enough but however.
Today people are arguing with the support of sceience claming that every action must have some cause and effect. For instance, as an effect we have big bang theory but let me ask what led to that big bang theory? What was its origin, what made the gases to blown up and resulted in earth? Universer was created 13.7+/- years ago. What was before that? I am waiting for these answers. : )
If one is not willing to accept the existence of God, then these questions can only have two answers, which the Qur'an has pointed out in the following (Al-Toor 52: 35) verse: Have they come into existence out of nothing or are they themselves their own creators?
The Encyclopedia Britannica introduces the Big-Bang theory as:
Widely held theory of the evolution of the universe. Its essential feature is the emergence of the universe from a state of extremely high temperature and density--the so-called big bang that occurred at least 10,000,000,000 years ago...
According to the big-bang model, the universe expanded rapidly from a highly compressed primordial state, which resulted in a significant decrease in density and temperature. Soon afterward, the dominance of matter over antimatter (as observed today) may have been established by processes that also predict proton decay. During this stage many types of elementary particles may have been present. After a few seconds, the universe cooled enough to allow the formation of certain nuclei. (Essay on 'Big-Bang Model')
Introducing the theory of Evolution, the Encyclopedia writes:
Theory in biology postulating that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations. (Essay on 'Evolution')
As should be clear, both the Big-Bang theory and the Evolution theory are estimations - based on the laws derived from the physical world around us - of the processes through which the various forms of existences came into being. Neither of these theories presents any view regarding the origin of the laws or of the energy or the matter, which initiated the 'Big-Bang' or the 'Evolution' and ultimately resulted in the beautiful world that we live in. Even if we were to consider 'Spontaneous generation' to be correct, we would still be faced with the question as to where did the non-living matter (through which life may be produced) get the potential of producing life.
The questions that need answers do not relate merely to the origin of the species as they exist in their present form or to the process out of which the present form of the universe evolved; to provide comprehensive answers, they should also answer the origin of the original species, the original matter/energy, which produced the Big-Bang and the origin of the various laws which resulted in the various evolutionary processes.
Quranic Evidence :
"Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: 'Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We do come (together), in willing obedience.' So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 41:11-12)"
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"
The Arabic word for "sky" in Noble Verse 41:11 above is "samaa", which is the same word used for "heaven" and "Universe". Since the 7 heavens didn't exist yet (because the seven firmaments or heavens were mentioned in the next Noble Verse 41:12), then this CLEARLY MAKES the "samaa" be referring to the Universe, since the heaven was the entire Universe when GOD Almighty "comprehended in His design the sky". He then later divided it into seven firmaments or heavens.
Anyway, as we clearly see above in the Noble Verses, Allah Almighty initially created the Universe or the "samaa" with smoke (Dukhan). Dukhan in Arabic refers to the smoke coming from fire, which is always HOT GAS.
A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust and Hot Gas, or Smoke.
Now as to Noble Verse 21:30 above, according to the Big Bang Theory, the Universe experienced an unbelievable explosion from the hot gases that were forming it, which caused the Universe (which consisted of the ball of gases) to split and expand. The Earth was separated then from the gaseous mass that was forming the Universe. The gases according to the scientific articles below in this article made "the universe be consisted of compact ball of hydrogen -- protons, neutrons, electrons, and their anti-particles -- plus radiation. There were not differentiated planets, stars, suns, galaxies. Five billion years ago, the compact hydrogen soup blasted apart with huge force, matter was hurled in all directions, and the universe doubled in size. This expansion of the universe is still going on."
It is really interesting to know that the Big Bang Theory suggests that the Universe is still expanding until today, because this is EXACTLY what Allah Almighty also claimed in the Noble Quran:
"And the firmament, We constructed with power and skill and verily We are expanding it. (The Noble Quran, 51:47)"
Again, the word "samaa" was used for "firmament". "samaa" as I mentioned above means either "heaven", or "Universe" depending on how it is used. Certainly, the meaning of the word "samaa" in Noble Verse 51:47 is "Universe".
Also, since Allah Almighty didn't have any names for the explosive gases (such as hydrogen) 1400 years ago, He summed them up by calling them "smoke (dukhan)", which is literally a hot gas. Smoke is also ball-shaped and compacted together while it is hot and in the air. This description perfectly fits what the big bang theory suggests from the shape of the "compact ball" of gases that formed the Universe.